NRW-Wahl 2017

Mit Minister Johannes Remmel (Grüne) zu Siegens neuen Ufern

NRW-Umweltminister Johannes Remmel  (Grüne) an Siegens neuen Ufern: „Das Genialste, was wir hinbekommnen haben."

NRW-Umweltminister Johannes Remmel (Grüne) an Siegens neuen Ufern: „Das Genialste, was wir hinbekommnen haben."

Foto: Hendrik Schulz

Siegen.   Johannes Remmel sagt: Klimaschutz und Sicherheit gehören zusammen. Beim Redaktionsbesuch geht es aber auch um Fußball.

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Die Politik

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Die Konflikte

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Das Amt

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Das Private

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Foto mit Remmel an Siegens neuen Ufern

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